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The Billy Meier hoax photographs


Seen above, a shot of Billy Meier‘s “weddingcake” craft, allegedly an extraterrestrial device. A strange appendage is circled in blue. What could it possibly be?

According to The Billy Meier case: more conclusive “smoking gun” proof of deception, that’s just the handle of a garbage can lid that can be found on Meier’s farm:


Read the full analysis for much more details. But maybe the best part is the “explanation” given by Meier (or his aliens) for why the lower part of an alleged alien craft looks exactly like a garbage can lid, complete with a handle. From Meier’s 254th Contact Report, November 28, 1995:

Ptaah: “. . . As far back as the 1920s we worked with flying devices you have named the ‘Wedding Cake Ship,’ … we endeavored to transmit all of the necessary data regarding the vehicles’ shape to terrestrial scientists, in the form of telepathic impulses, to assist them in developing flying disks on Earth … We thoroughly investigated the entire situation and discovered that the old, newly re-emerged drawings were used for the design and production of these receptacle covers. … This, then, is how the shape of the container covers came about, which, as I mentioned earlier, strikingly resemble the lower rim section and undercarriage on our flying devices.”

It’s more ridiculous than his excuses as to why his photos of the pretty Pleiadian girls were exactly like dancers from the Dean Martin show. Photographing an American show on TV and claiming it was a real contact with aliens is also not much different from photographing a book illustration and claiming it was from a time travel trip. Click the image below to check “SpaceTimeNews” comparison:


But I digress. Knowing how Meier created his alien ship, and having a photograph of an enthusiast on his farm proudly holding a garbage can lid (probably assuming it was obviously different, which it is not), tempted me to use some Photoshop skills to correctly scale the Weddingcake craft. The result:


Once again, I recommend the reading of The Billy Meier case: more conclusive “smoking gun” proof of deception for more on Meier’s garbage affair. Also, please note the man above is not Meier, and the actual model created over the garbage lid is not golden, but silver. The montage is just to show scale. And get some laughs from all of this.

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  2. David October 9th, 2007 4:21 am

    well, i’ve looked through hundreds of billy meier contact photos and the ONE you show here resembles NOTHING in the other few hundred. I’m not sure where you got this shoddy photo, but if this is your debunker of the billy meier case, you are sadly unprofessional and inexperienced…do some research…sheesh..


  3. jessi December 6th, 2007 12:07 am

    well I think Billy saw something at one point.. he saw an alien spaceship YES!! but then he got carried away.. and the entire contacts and messanger and chosen crap was created.. I am a 100% ufo believer…

  4. fight evil December 22nd, 2007 8:05 pm

    Meier is known to have been a hoaxer at the end as it got out of control and frankly there was money to be made. But that does not mean that all his material is fake. If they put you on the ‘stand’ tomorrow and examine your entire life, will you be found flawless or 100% honest? Of course you will NOT BE, thus are you a good man or woman or a bad man or woman? That is the logic you apply for you own personal convenience. God does not work that way and you are fortunate, as well as you brothers and sisters that see reality as you do.

  5. forgetomori » Jesus! Say "Cheese" December 29th, 2007 1:13 am

    […] Siragusa is certainly not the only contactee to copy images from common sources and present them as extraordinary photographs of, from or by extraterrestrials. Swiss contactee Billy Meier also sells photos from books and even TV shows as alien images. […]

  6. Orville C. Story January 22nd, 2008 6:43 pm

    I’ve studied hundreds of ufo vid’s and have seen many which can’t be explained by conventional means, as for Billy’s I’m not impressed. Maybe one could possibly be real, but the bottom line is if just one of them is hoaxed then it discredits all the rest. The wedding cake is especially suspect since it suspiciously appears attached to trees in most photos, in others the photographer would have had to been free flosting in the air to take the image and in one I noticed it was taken in proximation to what clearly is a model car in the foreground. I find his evidence lacking and I think it only helps to discredit the phenomenon which in my opinion is REAL and there are many GOOD videos out there to prove it, none of them being Billy’s.

  7. russ February 12th, 2008 6:52 pm

    YAWN! heard it all before!,

    first of all lets this straight – just because there are a couple of questionable curious aspects does not and simply CANNOT in any way invalidate the strentgth of the remaining overall vast amount of supportive evidence. In fact this is only to be expected – considering the sheer volume of that evidence itself.

    Also the argument often put forward by skeptics – that if they think they have debunked one or two photos – then by extension of this that the rest then must surely be fake – this very simply can NOT carry forward – owing again to the overwhelming impregnability (and irreproducibility!) of that remaining volume of sheer hard pyhsical evidence.

    more specificlly – (and just briefly)

    on wedding cake – if one examines the video billy took (using a very early SABA brand of european camera) the zoom employed shows unquestionably that we are dealing with a very very large object – that simply cannot be a trashcan – the forced perspective theories do not hold up here.

    on dean martin lookalike – if one is to examine carefully a photo of the woman in question – there are hugh facial discrepencies (eg. size of forehead, cheekbones etc.) It requires bit of closer scrutiny – but once the realisation of this sets in – it starts to make sense that yes – an image of this woman may surely have overlaid ON TOP OF whatever photo billy took of the original pleadian girl – and that really this is the only real possibility – again as a result of the very perceivable and unquestionably facial incongruity that is made apparent under closer examination. THerefore the conclusion that must surely be reached for the critical thinker is that indeed there must have had to have been tampering with billy’s original photos as he took them.

    on dino shot – if one looks more closely – its not really an exact match is it! therefore proving nothing.

    go to my youtube site listed above – and view the videos – ‘meier case reopened’ parts 1 and 2.
    also there is a brand new film out – entitled ‘the silent revolution of truth’
    also there is an entire free book online available for download entitled ‘ufo contact with the Pleiades’

    meier was able to accurately describe the exact nature of the chemical composition of jupiter’s ring before science got there.

    also he was able to accurately describe the nature of the atmosphere on venus beneath the dense cloud cover – once again before mainstream science got there.

    billy is for real….
    and humans beings choose to ignore this at their absolute peril.

  8. Mark Scalise February 27th, 2008 4:59 pm

    I first saw Billy’s book when I was 9 or 10 years old, and was sure the pictures were real. As an adult, even one with no forensic knowledge, they look pretty damn fake. I would love to believe in UFOs, ghosts, even a supreme being. Still looking to be convinced, but haven’t been, and photos/videos will never qualify as convincing evidence for me. Some things you just need to experience firsthand to believe.

  9. stevo February 29th, 2008 1:35 am

    seems like the last poster doesn’t have much knowledge in general. If he did he would know that the meier shots in fact hold up to all kinds of scientific scrutiny. his comment is a common one – but is lacking in any grounding really – ie entirely a subjective viewpoint. Personally I am of the opinion that because meier’s shots are so detailed adults rule them out becuase it is so very rare that such close detailed photos are available of ufos… usually more often than not, they are just blobs.. and they just go – no way can that be real – (ie because of their adult programming/conditioning)

  10. Loadabollocks March 11th, 2008 12:44 pm

    Stevo – If the Meier shots hold up to ‘all kinds of scientific scrutiny’ I haven’t seen any evidence of that – can you let me know where to look??? Honestly? these are the worst ufo pictures I have ever seen … I can’t beleive this guys making money out of people like you. Very, very sad! Also, I’ve got a very interesting jelly mould in my kitchen how much do you think I can make??

  11. Aditya Sonakia April 28th, 2008 3:43 pm

    The Photograph where the person is holding the wedding cake ship is not true.

    It may the case, that the person is holding the garbage can lid.
    It is definately faked, just to show the mission as a fake.

  12. Mori April 28th, 2008 11:43 pm

    Aditya, please read the note carefully, as it’s clearly informed that the image of the person holding the wedding cake ship is indeed a montage, “just to show scale”.

    The original one is linked, where the man is holding a garbage can lid from one of Meier’s farms.

  13. jesus April 29th, 2008 1:39 pm

    Oooooh! photoshop in 1970?


  14. stevo July 7th, 2008 3:49 pm

    in respect to dino shots….

    there are distinct differences between the two respective dino shots –

    first of all differences in relaton to detail on respective dinos – ie. the position and size of white detail/white-stipes.

    Also there is the issue of the surrounding colouring that is noticeably absent on the left photograph…supposedly billy’s photo

    both of these points serve towards towards negating the prospect of billy having taken a photo of the dino from the book that is shown – and that obviously something else is going on here – question being – what?? ie what kind of falsifying and/or replacement – as this is really the only logical possibility..

    bottom line – there is FAR FAR more evidence IN FAVOUR of the meier case being true than that of being false.

    especially the issue of the ufo – rising up over the distant hill/horizon – which virtually gives proof positive in terms of the following….

    that Billy meier is indeed for REAL.

    – & that everyone should ought to have a read of HENOCH PROPHECIES to know what might be in store for mankind unless we change our ways – and change them fast!!!

  15. eddie July 17th, 2008 7:23 am

    well what company do you work for?, as the same as jonathan reed case they want to disacredit these guys, whts the problem on letting the world know? you are not coming out victorious, one day the truth will be shown

  16. BillyBoy August 4th, 2008 7:45 pm

    Wer glaubt bloß an den Billy Meier Bullshit ,schwachsinn hoch 3, guckt euch doch den Müll mal an, fliegende Gullideckel mit Christbaumkugeln.

    Das ich nicht lache.

  17. spongejoe August 5th, 2008 3:57 am

    Look, people. The flying bird pic is EXACTLY the same as the one in the magazine. The backround is a different color. Thats it! Gimme a break.

  18. alanborky August 5th, 2008 10:22 pm

    Is the ‘time travel’ pterodactyl supposed to be the one in the book?

    It’s not.

    The ‘time travel’ one has a comprehensively larger chestal blaze, (i.e. highlighted area), so much so it reaches down to the stomach area.

    The ‘time travel’ one has a comprehensively larger crop, (i.e., pouch area between beak and neck).

    The legs are different, their arch much more strongly curved, much wider.

    The snake is completely different, too, longer, differently oriented and curved in space.

    The peculiar thing, I’m in a slight state of shock. I always thought Meier was a complete phony. I took everyone’s word for this until I bothered to look at the ufo films for myself only to be struck by how technically clever they were considering they were supposed to be ‘obvious’ bin lids dangling from a bit of string.

    Then I decided to give the ‘obviously phony’ stills a look…

    I wasn’t impressed by the thing made of ‘golden christmas tree baubles mounted on a motorbike tyre’, (which is what it resembled to me), but that ‘time travel’ pterodactyl pic gave me something of a start…

    Having the eyes of an artist I could instantly see the resemblances between it and the pic in the book were at best superficial, nor am I saying it’s definitely for real, but when I went over the two of ‘em with my magnifier set at three and in false colour mode, I was shocked to see how the image in the book became not only monotone but even more flat and lifeless, particularly the serpent, (poorly rendered as what amounted to little more than a short smudhed squiggle), whereas the false coloured ‘time travel’ serpent suddenly became vividly, almost 3-dimensionally rendered.

    If this proves nothing else, it proves all the talk about Meier’s pictures being obvious and crappy fakes is complete crap itself, because either Meier himself, or someone he knows, is a much cleverer artist than anyone’s hitherto given them credit for.

  19. me November 2nd, 2008 8:09 am

    i cant wait to see what’s going to happen next :)

  20. Johan November 11th, 2008 1:19 pm

    Yeah, i really think that Non Earth-Humans exists and other kinds of alien species, because i happend to see a space craft in the woods where i live, it was just going to take off, but i am 100% sure that i saw it i don’t care what anyone else thinks…and i also belive in billy meier’s photos…

  21. Mark Scalise November 25th, 2008 3:10 pm

    Most people need to believe in something. UFOs, ghosts, religion, whatever, and their respective believers can come up with any amount of “proof” to support their case. Maybe all the Billy Meier believers can get themselves a ranch down in Texas . . .

  22. stevo December 12th, 2008 2:38 am

    to mark scalise

    PLEASE do not put UFOs in the same category as ‘ghosts’ & ‘resligion’ – that is a completely foolish and totally rubbish association – for anyone who is in any doubt about the the validity of the UFO phenomenon – i would urge them to watch the online videos ‘secret space’ parts 1 & 2 – on google video

    also the information that is containted within the overall Meier message has the ability to deal finally an utter death blow to the profound and utter stupid foolishness and irritatin controlling nonsense of religion as it is none today and that is totally evolution stifling by the way! – i.e. Meier being Herald or harbringer if you will – of the real untainted truth of the ages – to the peoples of the earth in this time of dire need.

    ok – that is all :)

    to conclude – ufos of course real – but what about the meier case???

    that is something you folks are going to have to think real hard about it – just dont be sure to make any snap judgements – be sure to spend a lot of time looking at this legendary UFO case from ALL angles!

    so long.

  23. Hank December 19th, 2008 9:54 am

    Wait a minute… the lid to that barrel’s diameter-to-height ratio seems to be larger than that of the layer of the craft which is being compared to it. I could be wrong. Has anybody checked it?

  24. whataload December 19th, 2008 1:01 pm

    Why do humans consistantly ask some lonely old fart for advice about history, et.al. Listen, not one human is better than another. This guy Billy says he has visits, why him? why would some goofy lookin alien give a whoot about us? we aren’t even the centre of the universe, we aren’t good to each other, we don’t care who blows the place to smithereens. But the one thing we all do is share, on the net. And this guy is making money off of people who really can’t afford to pay a thing. If simple farmer billy saw Jesus (who has many names) than why can’t you? This contact brought no peace only confusion if it even happened. I know what I’ve seen, and I never had a contact. I know what I can do, and I’ve never made a dollar. I have a prediction for you, its free. I say, the U.S. and Britain aren’t helping African people because they’re hoping that they can latch into their resources. Africa is abundant is salt, gold, diamonds, workers of the land. the U.S. and Britain are going to take that land for themselves and make trillions. I say it will happen in about four years. That’s my prediction.

  25. brian December 26th, 2008 4:47 am

    Wtf all of these pictures are photoshoped. THe golden spaceship in the guys hand has been cut & pasted same with the dinobird in the book. And then the lid is from the last photoshoped pic with the gold ship lame

  26. Dean December 26th, 2008 7:34 am

    Tell me this. If the Plejaren really went to visit Billy. Why is there no clear reasonable photos of the Plejaren girl. Ok you got some video of craft floating in a blurry dubious way, would could easy be models. But no video of talking to the plejaren girl. Notice that? If I wanted to produce evidence I would get a few clear photos of the plejaren girl herself, perhaps with me in the picture too.

    But instead just a blurry face shot which could be from the dean martin show and pretty much looks like a girl from the 70s rather than a space woman.

    Also is the wedding cake craft really a realistic design for an advanced spaceship of a civilization? To me it looks like something from the 70s Billy made up. The plejaren wouldn’t make a craft like that. What is it doing landed outside his house like that anyway? Is that a normal place to put the spaceship? No. Also why is it clear close up to the camera and the house blurry? Like it is only 3 feet wide?

    And if Billy did time travel. I would have clear reasonable photos, and many of them, as well of video clips depicting my journals. I wouldn’t have a few blurry out of focus photos. As you can see that dinosaur does indeed look the same as the one in the illustration of the book, even having the same worm in front of it. I would have better photography skills and capture the dinosaurs and landscape clearly with a distinct storyline behind my journey with the plejaren girl.

    But he couldn’t produce that why? Because there is a good chance he didn’t time travel and meet the plejaren. There is a good chance he is being deceptive. I would put my money on it. I would say this entire case is fake for a number of reasons which are so complicated I myself could write a book about it.

  27. John Daugherty January 3rd, 2009 2:16 am

    YAWN! is right :) Billy boy is a hoaxer plain and simple.If you dolts refuse to open your eyes to that fact oh well……..

  28. Total Package January 8th, 2009 10:44 am

    Yup the dinosaur pic is a hoax… but jesus you are really stretching it with the garbage bin photos. You’re just harming your cause… stick to facts. It looks nothing like the garbage bin lid.

  29. RICHARD B. January 11th, 2009 10:24 am


  30. Alex January 15th, 2009 11:05 am

    Good job at replicating the wedding cake and bird photo, if meier did indeed fake some of his evidence, which does not make alot of sense to me because alot of his proof is substantial, including lots of his future predictions are down right prophetic and accurate, which I know anyone can make a educated prediction on anything, but lightning has struck more than once with meier, and for the fact his neighbors are witnesses to all this ufo activity, you would have to convince me that his neighbors are behind the scam also before I can buy into your debunking, but you do an excellent job on replication, and I give you kudos for doing what the amazing randy wouldn’t try.

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  32. James Pimpall January 31st, 2009 12:24 am

    let’s see…

    1970 + Photoshop = Agenda!!!

  33. Jdog March 7th, 2009 12:28 am

    As far as the prophesies are concerned, I noticed Billy stole some of them from Baba Vanga whose prophesies turned out to be real.

  34. Vito L. March 23rd, 2009 6:59 pm

    Billy Meier stole from Baba Vanga?
    do you have proof?

  35. Nick May 19th, 2009 10:54 am

    You should watch ; “The silent revolution of truth” – If you think the world we live in is at it is and is as the religious taught us then you’ve got it complety wrong and you are missing the point – Open you mind and look at yourself in the mirror – Do you really think we are the fruit of evolution on earth? Don’t think so. We were put on this earth and we are being observed.

  36. GOD June 4th, 2009 2:08 pm



  37. Goliath June 10th, 2009 1:38 am

    UFO’s? You saw a UFO? SO WHAT!? Even if a UFO scraped against your house and dropped a piece of “alien” metal for you to share with the world. IT WOULDN’T CHANGE ANYTHING! You would still have to go to work tomorrow. And people would still be starving all over the world. The UFO’s either better do something positive or be ignored. Cause so far I’m not falling for this new religion.- Funny how the UFO’s, much like our government, feel the need to be secretive for our own good. I? wonder why? (wink, wink)

  38. missy_lea June 24th, 2009 5:36 pm

    It is obvious that number one, Billy, even in his finest hour, could never make a trash can last for 5 decades. Two, the actual trash can lid is not taken up close, and I didn’t notice an appendage on that photo. Three, it looks as though the appendage on the Wedding Cake photo was added later. Four, Billy didn’t have the advantage of PhotoShop, because when those pictures were taken, he had NO WAY to create these images. His actual pictures were taken with a 2nd generation, old fashioned 35mm camera. Five, Billy refused to travel and leave his farm, so any photos that were tampered with, were done so by those that ‘said’ they would handle his case. Billy neither had options or money available to him, to create these drastic changes in photography. Six, if you watch the YouTube videos long enough, you will find the one of Billy, early in the morning, with his movie camera on the tri-pod doing close-ups of the tree where the beam ship was stationary. It was ‘not’ a model or miniature; that is obvious from the distance then the zoom to close up. People just need to actually look for this stuff and quit believe everyone else.

  39. shabazz uzeez June 25th, 2009 5:09 am

    The big wedding cake in front of the building has a carpet tack on level two in the front missing between the balls The teradon is too similar. And the two light sources on the golden balls pretty much relieve our worrying about any advanced civilization trying to propel these toys through time or space. The magicians’use of photographic trickery could not even seduce juveniles. Go ahead on back and finish your bible.

  40. Miss Fox July 19th, 2009 9:28 pm

    I know Billy Meier is just lair… he said he is only person has contact with aliens while the rest of contectees are FAKES… OH PLEASE! It’s just full of BS! He can’t be only one! Duh!

    Yes he did took picture out of book… yes he did took picture off the tv… I did same thing when I was young and photos are not exact clear but I know they are from tv and stuffs. DUH!

    I did saw on tv that Billy Meier did indeed have models. I never forget that one. The man did asked Billy and Billy just made an excuse said it is for “examples” He just making models— MODELS for his photos. Don’t give me the BS that Billy has for real.

  41. Oooh Big Secret July 20th, 2009 5:32 am

    Oooh big secret. UFO’s Oooooh! Aaaaaah!
    I can’t say it better than this link does.

  42. billy bob September 7th, 2009 2:26 pm

    re: a derogatory comment about Meier being..’the only one’

    There are, and have been, many who have had a kind of contact with the Plejaren. But mostly these people have simply viewed their craft. The ones who have had personal contact have had contact in the form of telepathic impulses and mostly fear to go public. The Plejaren tell us that there are some real contacts taking? place with Earth Humans and extraterrestrials other than that with Meier, but they are of a very different essence and are very VERY limited!

    These include occasional examination contacts by scientific expeditions who mean no harm, and a very occasional kidnapping by others who are barbaric. But this is nothing on the scale of the hysteria often generated . Mostly visitors simply come and go and perhaps observe? or collect plant and mineral and other samples for their scientific examinations.

    So when they say Billy is the only one – ie ‘exclusive contact’ it has to be understood to mean the only one with face to face, official, on-going contact, involving a huge amount of note-taking (contact notes) in the context? of the overall tremenduously important mission itself!

    Meier is real – deal with it – (skeptics are always just stuck in a total & inexplicable state of preposterous DENIAL as to the true facts of the matter.)

  43. NickS September 13th, 2009 8:09 am

    It’s often said that some sceptics will NEVER accept the existance of ET’s even in the face of clear evidence, and that their denial borders on irrationality.
    That’s true, but it clearly works both ways as is demonstrated by some of these comments.
    When something has been proven a hoax beyond resonable doubt, it’s time to let it go. To doggedly cling to it despite overwhelming evidence that it’s been falsified just makes you look desperate and irrational.
    The dinosaur pictures are the same. They’re not similar, they’re the same. And the trash can lid is identical to the base of the Wedding Cake ship.
    Tha fact that these two pictures have been clearly faked has to call into question the authenticity of all the other material, if only because it demonstrates that we’re dealing with dishonest personalities.
    Personally I believe there is a lot of good evidence out there supporting the existence of extraterrestrial life. But this isn’t it, it’s a hoax.

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  45. Goliath September 14th, 2009 2:14 am

    I can’t say it better than this guy has said it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k

  46. phil October 6th, 2009 3:51 pm

    Nice one fella. You’ve got it right don’t worry. Meier is a total hoaxer even though he appears sincere. Funnily enough I’m the first person ever who can finally prove that the container lid is in fact what he used to construct that wcufo…with one hand which is exactly what I have done. I’m not into fame – as if – nor money etc. I did it simply because Michael Horn himself asked me to. I’ve also taken about 3000+ pictures on 5 different cameras with it in all the same situations as Meier…including the tree. So if anyone comes to you about how it must be a real ufo send them to me. I’ll sort them out. It will be released soon enough. Then we can sort the men from the boys. Good work!

  47. JOJO October 11th, 2009 7:53 pm

    man this is really stupid,, why should billy meier fake this stuff? have you heard the audio tapes “ufo contact notes” that where recorded????

    if you listen to that,,,, than it is really stupid to think that he was just doing it to grab everyones attention…….


    take care every one

  48. jnl October 20th, 2009 7:04 am

    this is just way too silly. i am absolutely floored to see some of these comments regarding the “dino” pictures….

    HOW CAN YOU PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THAT THOSE PICTURES ARE NOT THE SAME PICTURE? IT’s A DAMNED PHOTO OF THE ILLUSTRATION! Guess what else? On the left-hand side of the “time travel dino”, you can see the binding of the book. No, the markings on the dinos are not different. No, they are not moving in different ways. Have you ever opened up a book before? You know how the page doesn’t lay flat? It sort of bows with the spine of the book? Yes, well…. that distorts the true shape of the illustration when photographed. But it’s really not even necessary to say that, because the fact that some people believe that a zillion years ago, when Billy Meier traveled with the Plejarens to another dimension on the great Planet Ding Dong, some stupid dinosaurus bird was caught on film coincidentally posing the EXACT SAME WAY that would be drawn in a children’s book a zillion years into the future on the not-good-enough-for-the-aliens planet, also known as Earth. And you should be ashamed to be an Earthling, by the way, because you’ll never be as good as that dino bird, not to mention the Plejarens!

    Ahhahahaha. Seriously. Sometimes, when people ask questions – well, a lot of people do this – they keep asking until they get the answer that they want. They will go to many different sources asking the same question over and over until somebody tells them what they want to hear. This may not really be the correct answer the question, and the asker knows this deep down, if they are not entirely concious of it. That’s kind of how these people work…. they find some sort of evidence that points to the fact that Meier made all of this up – and they do not like it. They want his story to be true. Hell, so would I! It would be pretty darn cool if it were true. But it’s just not. So I would suggest latching on to a better alien contact case, one with better evidence, or better yet, one with no “hard evidence” at all – nobody will be able to disprove it then!

  49. jessie November 1st, 2009 8:48 pm

    Billy meier is a hoax.. I have read his stuff.. people do research before you believe everything .. I do believe Meier saw a UFO… some of his pics of flying objects could be real.. the one landing on his back yard is just simply hoag wash.. I read and YET THEY FLY.. not only does he claims he is the only contactee and that Adamski is a liar..that Adamski never had personal contacts with aliens… HE CLAIMS TO BE THE ONLY CONTACTEE AND PROPHEt.. come on now.. btw in the book And yet they FLY he uses names like Semjasen and PHataa.. those names are from the book OF ENOCH for crying out loud… the man is a complete hoax.., BIGGER QUESTION…IS THIS.. HOW COME HE HAS NO RECENT PICTURES OF UFOS BESIDES THE ONES FROM 25 YEARS AGO.. could it be that today it is harder for him to FAKE THEM? btw… I am a 100% believer in UFOS AND ALIENS disclosure project.. DULCE base and the whole BANG….

  50. greg November 3rd, 2009 9:32 pm

    to the last poster

    well if you believe in the disclosure project etc, then that is a problem for you…

    as both Stephen Greer AND Stephen Bassett both KNOW that the Meier case is real – but as of yet dont haven’t come forward publicly with it, thinking that people just arent ready to deal with it.

  51. jessie November 5th, 2009 8:38 pm

    Yes I do believe in the disclosure project and no not everything they say I agree, I don’t take it as the gospel truth, Just cuz they believe in Faker Meier, that doesn’t mean I am going to believe.. I am not a follower… Meier has a lot of lies in his statements.. HE IS NOT THE PROPHET.. give me a break, he has turned this whole thing into a CULT, is because of people like him that this subject is not taken seriously.. I advice people to do reasearch before believing this man.. read the book of ENoch and so on…he has taken from everything..out there and created a fantasy.. if people are just going to investigate this subject and believe in everybody then you have a problem.. FYI, I have GREAT issues with GREER as well.. he has lost me quite a few times with his stories as well, you cannot take this subject and just believe every crackpot that takes a few pictures and creates a CULT like the FIGU

  52. Goliath November 6th, 2009 2:57 am

    Omg. Are you guys serious? You actually think that extra terrestrials have found the speck of a carbon atom we call earth in a universe the size of a… universe? This is just like the tales of God & Jesus in the bible. Both God and Jesus stand aside watching people starve to death, and the “aliens” do the same. If their technology is so grand why can’t they help us in miraculous ways? If they don’t know how to communicate with us then how do they know HOW to keep themselves secret in the first place? Perhaps they understood our culture right away at Roswell? “Oooh. Look they’re all freaking out about this on their NEWS networks we’d better back off.” If you juxtapose aliens behavior with governments you’d have an identical match.

  53. jessie November 7th, 2009 3:34 pm

    Goliath, I do believe in extra terrestials visiting and communticating in this planet.. the answer that I will give to the question as for If their technology is so grand why can’t they Help us in Miraculous ways?
    Well.. do you think our world is ready to deal with that kind of technology?, do you think the human race is ready to humble themselves and not reverse it into evil, for the greed of power?
    Or maybe they have, but our goverments are too greedy to share..
    Or simply they Obey a kind of Universal Law of direct interference without the consent of governments on Earth. Just like us have rules when going after another country. I don’t know.. maybe those are the type of things we won’t know until disclosure happens….
    I just dont believe someone like Billie Meier turning everything into his little cult, by telling people how many children to have, with whom and how to live.. I mean come on now.. that is why some members have left and claimed it is a cult

  54. Goliath November 9th, 2009 2:29 am


    How about some benevolent behavior even if it’s in a discrete way from the aliens with such high technology? Like… End starvation in Africa. If I’m to presume that they don’t understand the human race well enough to do that, then they can’t possibly understand the human race enough to find out who their leaders are, and I HOPE they don’t try to figure out our leaders through television broadcasts because then the aliens would think that we’re !batsh*t crazy!

    I’m willing to accept, at most, the idea that an alien ship crash landed on earth. But as far as some extensive interaction and dialogue THAT’S what I truly doubt. Since the 40’s in Germany, Russia, and US (and perhaps earlier than that) there have been small groups of scientists working on technological advances on a daily basis and making progress. I don’t think it’s to far fetched to think that the vast majority, if not ALL UFO’s are man made, and held secret by the public themselves due to arguments from ignorance. I hope you don’t find it in bad taste to link to a YouTube clip to illustrate what I mean. Your feedback is much appreciated. CLIP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k

  55. moos November 9th, 2009 8:53 pm


    Compelling new analysis of some photos. I’m undecided, they appear fake to me but you can’t ignore Scientific analysis explained in detail.

  56. Mori November 10th, 2009 2:05 pm

    That’s no “scientific analysis” at all. It was paid for by Michael Horn, Meier’s associate, and conducted by… by whom? The website given as source for the analysis, “UFo Imaging” don’t have any names! But they do sell “analysis” packages!

    The “Advanced Photographic Extraction Process” they refer to, apparently “invented” by one Ron Stewart is just pseudoscience. It aims to extract information from images that are, by definition, impossible to extract. What they end up extracting and enhancing are image artifacts, usually from lossy compression algorithms.

    The “energy fields” referred to are just JPEG artifacts.

  57. jessie November 10th, 2009 6:32 pm

    Goliath, that kind of video and ideas are one in a million, maybe back in the days during the 80’s people would believe the idea that that is man made and that ufos are not real.. There is so much footage and witnesses accounts on people actually describing seeing these beings, like Travis Walton, etc.. watch the movie the 4th kind it is base on true cases, what I am trying to say is this: Think about it, if that was man made, do you think we would be speding Millions of dollars on the NASA program? however I do believe that there is what is called the Secret Space Program, which have more advanced technology taken from UFO retriavals and have been back engineered by the government, and that NASA is nothing more than a smoke screen. google that and you will find lots of information on it. But then again I have so much research that I have been doing for almost 15 years now, that if I start I will end up with the ELITE and the goverments working together to surpress the truth, well most goverments are releasing their UFO files.. lIke FRANCE, Mexico, Brazil, England even CHINA have come cleaned and admit there are UFOS out there and that they have been investigating these For years.. BTW THANKX GOLIATH BY THE LINK… no I don’t find it in bad taste for you to share links with me

  58. Jesse November 11th, 2009 2:42 am

    This has to be the WORST picture of a UFO I have ever seen. It is truly a hoax, like the rest of his pictures, which you can clearly see are constructed with dinner plates. Just look at the bottoms of the crafts of his alleged UFO pictures and you will see they have the exact same proportions as that of a dinner plate. I’ve seen real UFO’s 30 yards away and 10 feet off the ground and they look way more advanced than what Meier depicts. In fact to some people they might be quite scary looking. Whether or not Meiers has been in contact with ETs, his photos are definitely FAKE.

  59. Goliath November 11th, 2009 3:32 am

    Ugh… I can’t help but want to link back to this… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k
    Where is there evidence of aliens other than what has been propagated through the tubes? Even if I met aliens in person it wouldn’t change anything. I’d still have to go to work tomorrow, and people on earth would still starve.

  60. Jessie November 11th, 2009 2:39 pm

    I agree, Billie Meier has very bad fake pictures, however I do admit some of his earlier ufo pics are very good. like I said, He saw a ufo, then he ran with it… I have always ignore the Meier case ever since I came to my own conclusion, that is why many serious UFOLOGIST stay away from this case. I know people who have seen these objects and refused to go public, they just have kept it as their own personal growth, but any way.. I guess we are all into our own personal endevour..as for myself I am in an endcvour for the TRUTH, and I really hope for the sake of many, this issue is disclouse and goverments to stop going around the bushes… at least some of the governments are coming clean, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?.. I think people need to start asking questions and stop thinking that everything you do everyday in this planet, that that is it.. there is more to everything, including what is out there… start looking and maybe just maybe you will find something that will make you look deeper….

  61. brian November 11th, 2009 11:26 pm

    regarding Neil Tyson and that link you gave – geez – give me a break – that guy is clueless – insanely over dismissive – there is HUGE amounts of evidence – this guy is just going along with the status quo of IGNORANCE – making a big joke of the ufo subject – so as his career will go furhter along unhindered & unaffected.

    high time we had scientists who are more FORWARD LOOKING (& less cowardly!) that this!!!

    ffs – does he even know about testimony from NASA scientists like Edgar Mitchell and gordon Cooper




    Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11?

    Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known
    there was a possibility, the fact is, we were
    warned off! (by the Aliens). There was never any
    question then of a space station or a moon city.

    Professor: How do you mean “warned off”?

    Armstrong: I can’t go into details, except to say that their
    ships were far superior to ours both in size and
    technology – Boy, were they big! and menacing!
    No, there is no question of a space station.

  62. jesse November 12th, 2009 4:12 am

    I agree with you Jessie, since Meier faked some of his pics, It kinda makes you wonder if any of the stuff he claims is credible or not. I definitely know their are aliens, but how many different species is questionable, and how many are benevolent and how many are malevolent, I couldn’t tell you. The tall Greys I heard are malevolent. I’ve read all about Phil Schneider and the Dulce underground base,(and Black Government if their is such a thing) But I really wont believe in stuff like that unless I see it with my own eyes. Just like the underground base in the Himalayas that supposedly pops out UFOs by the shitloads. The Book of Enoch talks about these tall beings. They are called the Nephilim or the fallen angels that fell with Lucifer. Whatever they do, God has a purpose for each and every one. I wouldn’t worry about it too much. To be honest with you, I have seen how incredibly fast they are and have been trying to get abducted just to go for the ride. Could you imagine the kick ass ride in one of those. Make a Lamborghini feel like a snail huh? My luck, I would end up with a malevolent one and they’d wanna stick anal probes up my ass. LOL. My cat is definitely Martian, seeing how he has got antennas sticking out his head. I call him my Martian fuzz ball. In fact we might all have alien DNA within ourselves. Jessie, the TRUTH is a beautiful thing. GOD bless ya. Don’t look at the stars too hard or they might come down and take you for a ride or at least the ones that pulse blue and red.

  63. Goliath November 12th, 2009 10:56 am

    In this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k )Niel Tyson is simply saying that for him as a scientist there is not enough evidence for him to test in a laboratory. Of course there are objects in the sky that people have trouble identifying, but that doesn’t mean that those object are of alien manufacture.

    Here is what extra terestrials would see and hear if they were monitoring our television broadcasts: http://www.goliathflores.com-a.googlepages.com/AlienTV.PNG

  64. Jack November 12th, 2009 4:46 pm

    I was wondering if these pictures are available for use on wikipedia? I just read the Meier page there and I think adding some of the pictures would be very useful. There ia a bit of a dispute there about wording of the article as between supporters of Meier and others. I think that some of these pictures (such as the wedding cake photos) would sya more than words could. I for one started laughing when I saw that photo. You don’t need to be an expert in photography to see that it is an obvious fake. So who owns the rights to these pictures and can they be used on wikipedia?

  65. Mori November 12th, 2009 5:54 pm

    I assume Meier owns all the rights. But perhaps it’s fair use? That’s how I’m using them on my website.

  66. maria November 12th, 2009 11:25 pm

    WEdding cake ufo ship….REal????

    hmmmmm – very interesting – seeing that the branches DO look like to be obscuring the side of the craft – seems very hard indeed to envisage that a model is being used here now in this instance!!!


  67. jessie November 14th, 2009 8:45 pm

    jessie.. that is very good.. I do believe in the underground bases, you know people like Scheiner has so much incredible stuff to say that it makes you wonder about the entire story, Charles hall and the tall whites, Michael Wolf, I mean you name it, so I guess it is up to us with years of research to separate the truth from the crap, unfortunately the sometimes the truth is missed up with the crap, and we get disinformation etc….

  68. sandraD November 17th, 2009 3:25 am

    Neil Tyson and his like are FOOLS!
    they are most likely deliberately turning a blind eye to the enormous amounts of SCIENTIFIC evidence.

    here is just one tiny example..(starting from around scrollbar 2:00)


    also here (part 1) to see the full video in question…


    oh and by the way…. Meier is Real! :)

  69. Goliath November 17th, 2009 12:51 pm


    The “scientific” evidence footage you linked us to is merely a man in a lab coat analyzing a “video tape”, not scientific evidence of UFO’s, and not a UFO. A video of a UFO is not a UFO. In the Star Wars movies the Millennium Falcon can make a sharp turn in space. Am I supposed to believe that too? What Neil Tyson says in this video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfAzaDyae-k ) STILL applies.

  70. Goliath November 17th, 2009 12:52 pm

    An amendment to the comment above. Here is a screen shot of a man in a lab coat talking about analyzing a video tape: http://imgur.com/ZSTrD.png

  71. Jesse November 17th, 2009 7:33 pm

    Goliath here is a video of a real UFO. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMlrMkHw55o
    I’ve seen the exact same craft 10 feet off the ground and 30 yards away hovering silently in a cornfield, until it saw me staring at it and then it flew right over the top of my car. This wedding cake UFO is a joke.

  72. Goliath November 17th, 2009 8:14 pm


    I’d love to have seen that in person. That would certainly blow my mind and get my imagination going. It doesn’t mean that it’s of alien manufacture though. Regardless, it’s fascinating.

    Here is a blog post of mine concerning extra terrestrials. In this post I’m having a little fun with the subject, but still trying to make a point: http://goliathflores.blogspot.com/2009/08/dear-aliens.html

  73. kolta November 17th, 2009 8:36 pm

    jessie.. disclosure is here… they found water on the moon, even though we know for years there is more that just water..and little by little they are preparing the non awaken for disclosure about extraterrestial life among US!!!

  74. bill November 18th, 2009 1:04 am

    Wedding Cake ufo ship is NOT a joke!


  75. johnathon November 19th, 2009 12:30 am

    Undeniable proof of Extra-terrestrial intelligence


    these pulsating & very huge objects are flying in ways that demonstrate that they are being guided in a manner that demonstrates enormous intelligence. This becomes patently clear when various other Nasa videos are watched.

  76. Goliath November 19th, 2009 12:57 pm


    The video is compelling for sure, but it’s no “undeniable” proof. First and foremost it is a video. Assuming that the video is in it’s original state and was not manufactured, I’ve seen the footage of these pulsating glowing disk shapes before and found it interesting. The thought also occurred to me that these shapes could be living organisms in space. Perhaps or perhaps NOT more intelligent than humans. They could be living organism that live on the edge of what we would deem sustainable for life much like the glowing animals that manage to live in the deepest waters of the ocean.

  77. Johnathon November 19th, 2009 9:35 pm

    Well actually – its a bit debatable really – just a couple of things serving to respond to that..and admiteddly it may not be ‘undeniable’ prood as it were, nonetheless however…

    if these are living ‘organisms’, or ‘critters’ as some may have been calling them in the past – well they are very LARGE orgainisms to say the least! – i.e. some of theSE THINGS would have to be in the terrain of 2-3 MILES in diameter. hmmmm difficult to envisage a living being of that magnitude – but then again who knows!

    also going with the living ‘organism’ hypothesis – difficult to imaine again how they would be able to materialize/dematerialize as such as they have been seen to do.
    perhaps there is a creature on earth that may have sililar ‘cloaking’ abiliities to this – but i am unaware of its existence myself.

    Would be inclined to go with the alternative conjecture/hypothesis raised by one of the analyists that what we are seeing here in this regard are nuts and bolts ships that are able to somehow or other vibrate themselves ino a very higher or more lLIGHT-based frequency – almost like entering into another dimension if you will. indeed perhaps in this manner thus they are able then to traverse the enormous distances in space from the get-go.

    indeed amazingly – i do recall seeing a still shot in one ufo vid mix – showing one of these discs in what appeared to be a much more metallic UNvibrated state as such. trying to back track in order to find it for you people – will keep you posted if i am successful – is a startling image to say the least – really looks much more like a nuts and bolts ufo rather that a ‘critter’ or organism.

    finally going back to the basic topic of the main essential thread – some very revealing info. about Meier case FALSIFYER – KKK Karl Korff
    (note i use the word FALSIFYER as opposed to debunker!!!)


    may be relevent for some folks to have a look over..

    always decide for yourself of course…

    ok done with this now,

    live long and prosper.

  78. Mr. ploppy December 10th, 2009 11:33 am

    Hi all,

    Anyone for a slice of wedding cake?

    Check out criticalthinkers.org (Kalkorff.com) for an introduction on how the wedding cake ship of Billy Meier is now finally exposed as total FRAUD!

    It HAS been recreated in detail along with all the famous pictures of it.

    Happy reading.

  79. gerald December 15th, 2009 10:09 pm

    have to laugh at Korff new vid – he’s looking very DESPERATE – really looks like he’s losing it..also looked like he was drugged or something

    (the reproductions are ‘ok-ish’ for once but its easy to do that kind of thing nowadays – try doing it back in the seventies with NO tech equipment. and anyway – doesn’t address a whole myriad of other issues.

    but mostly – gawd such lousy attempt at BRAINWAHSING (ie that is to say very little in the way of actual debunking! predictably hardly ANY substance in that direction!! Poor Kal – very infantile.)

    anyway moving to brighter subjects – must see & thought provoking video – on why the case is NOT a hoax


    also this too – for thought provocation (as opposed to brain-washing!) –


  80. Luke December 15th, 2009 10:15 pm

    The real truth here…

    This is a cult… or a religion if you will, designed to distract people from the truth… that Jesus Christ is Lord! Satan is coming up with anything and everything to deceive the masses… this is just another of his methods.

    Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life… no man comes to the Father but by Him.

    If you really care about what happens after this life (most people really don’t care… too apathetic) research the life and Christ and the evidence of his resurrection, as well as the change in the people who have truly given Him their lives over the course of history. I recommend reading “The Case for Christ.” There are many who claim to follow Him or believe in Him.. but have not truly made Him LORD. But if you make Him Lord, He will change you for the better… and give you more hope and peace than you have ever experienced from any other source…

    Check Him out.

  81. gerald December 16th, 2009 11:52 am

    Videos showing how the overall Meier spritual message/teachings has the power to DESTROY – ALL errorneous terrestrial fear based, nonsensical and evolution stifling CULTIC earth based religions……



  82. Goliath December 16th, 2009 3:22 pm

    Thank you to those of you who took the time to post YouTube video’s of UFO’s, and religious dogmas. Now… Can we see the positive effects of REAL UFO’s? … No. This is show business for sure.

  83. gerald December 16th, 2009 7:44 pm

    Goliath – with respect but – think maybe you are missing the point here

    permit me to add another address for another video that might make things a little more clearer.


    mankind stands on the precipice of TOTAL SELF DESTRUCTION owing to ‘religious dogmas’ as you put it.

    however – DONT confuse the Meier spirit teachings – with ‘religious dogmas’ these two stand distinctly opposed! – (important point that)

    ie that is to say that the LAST thing the Meier message represents is ANYTHING CULTIC – (in actual fact – it seeks to do away with this kind of wrong thinking – in that ultimately the connection to the source is to be found from within – not from any external, imaginary, judging & wrathful ‘god’ – thats just foolishness in the utter extreme – and the actual cause of much MISERY & TURMOIL here on earth – for more on that – read billy’s ‘Goblet of Truth’

    – the Meier cosmology explains in a lot of much deatil, is very penetrating – and without a shadow of a doubt, for those that have an interest in this kind of area – certainly deserves to be looked at very closely indeed, to say the very least.

  84. behzad December 22nd, 2009 7:44 am

    why you people never pay attention to Billy’s teaching, only ufo discussions??
    please read it, if it doesn’t make senses into your heart then don’t follow it up…

  85. elvein01 December 28th, 2009 10:13 pm

    i still dont know what to believe. i kinda believe him because of his predictions but the fact the guy could proov the cake thing and all of the models found at his house just pretty much balances it out. of cource there is always a way to proov something is a hoax its second hand human nature but everything that is proven as a hoax can also be prooven as reall. i guess first hand experience is the best evidence because skeptics will always proov everything to be a hoax like it was photo copied or it was a model hanging from fishing string or it is a picture from a sears magazine. i just have to say that there wasnt a such thing as photo copying back in that time and i dont believe he did the model thing. if it is a hoax tell me about the metall that was given to him that could not be burned or anything and has never been seen or found on earth. he also has video of these things traveling at speeds of a quantum leap. i still dont know on what to decide can you help weigh the evidence???????????????????????????????????????

  86. Jesse December 30th, 2009 3:04 pm

    elvein01 if you cant tell that is constructed with a trash can lid and ball bearings, you need to have your head checked. Elveino1 I have seen many different UFOs. And God’s creations look way more awesome than that sorry ass excuse for a craft. It is obviously a model.

  87. mike December 30th, 2009 7:14 pm

    Elvin01 – my advice would be to not rush into any snap immediate judgements – just because it may LOOK like a trashcan lid – doesn’t necessarily mean that it actually is one! – such ideas are actually unscientific…also for what its worth, pertinent video that may illuminate more light on the subject…


  88. Mori December 30th, 2009 7:46 pm

    Of course. It just looks like a trash can lid, complete with handle, because the aliens influenced the designers of the trash can lid to create it as an exact match to the bottom of a spaceship. As Meier so brilliantly explained.

    Believe it, or not.

  89. FlyingTriangle January 12th, 2010 11:52 pm

    “just because it may LOOK like a trashcan lid – doesn’t necessarily mean that it actually is one!”

    Hey, look at that! I just saw a car drive down the road, but hell, just because it LOOKS like a car, doesn’t mean that it is one! It COULD be an alien UFO!

    Seriously, the fact that Meier’s was busted photographing TV shows and books throws in to doubt ANYTHING that he says. He would not need to hoax images if even a shred of what he claims is true, would he.

    He is a charlatan, using his bogus story for profit and recognition. Plain and simple.

  90. Ploppy January 17th, 2010 9:23 pm

    “Believe it or not” that Wedding Cake IS a container lid. Calling it a trash can isn’t quite right. It’s about 16 – 18 inches wide and easliy put together with one hand. Now then. Here’s why the Meier case in general is a hoax…Are you ready…If the wedding cake is supposed to be “genuine” why oh why is it made from so many positively identifiable household & hardware items like shelf pins and eyelets and soup bowls or shisha pipe ashtrays and biscuit tin lids that fit exactly the same scale as the latest model recreation shows?
    Anyone will have a hard time explaining that to the scientific community while claiming it’s all just coincidence and those shelf pins just happen to look like those “things” on the wedding cake and telepathic messages were sent to designers who un-knowingly copied the hull design etc blah, blah, blah, BS.
    That Chris lock analysis shows something that is too easy to fake and so it does NOT prove that the wedding cake is genuine. Photographs and films will NEVER constitute proof no matter how hard fanatics scream. Their argument is over before it begins.
    So if the wedding cake is a smallish model photographed using false perspective and Meier claims that it’s not when science says he is – he’s lying and if he is lying about that he’s definitely lying about contact with aliens – that NO ONE else has positively identified. Not even that UN lady who’s very nice but has no proof of what she says what so ever. It’s all just talk. There are no messiahs. Billy is just a regular bloke who learned how to make money out of gullible people.
    ps: Alena, holding the “ray gun” is a DUMMY – that’s why you never see her face and her arm is always the same posture! Oh and she’s wearing a 1980’s solar suit & the pictures were taken in the late 1980’s. Oh dear!

  91. The creator January 18th, 2010 12:34 am

    billy is not a fake . he is real with what he is saying .the people who dont believe him are in the earlier stages of evolution and have less light comparing to the people who say hes right , thats ok .
    Lets even presume that hes a fake , arent the subjects and techeengs of his , helpfull for humanity ,if you think deep about what hes transfering from the pleadians you will realise that these subjects are very radicall and helpfull corrections for the wrong behavior of todays lost humanity , so think about it , close your eyes and be fair.

  92. Randall February 5th, 2010 5:51 am

    I think it’s funny when people come out and claim they solved it! “Oh look this is how he did it!” “He’s been telling lies this whole time!”

    Has anyone ever bothered to investigate these case crackers in order to find out whether or not they did or didn’t rig their evidence or Photoshop their pictures. It’s just as easy to present bunk evidence claiming you cracked a case as it is to create a hoax.

  93. Mori February 5th, 2010 10:35 am

    The original photos were sold by Meier. He himself admitted that the “Wedding Cake Craft” base looks like a container lid, and also that the photos he sold as Asket and Nera were of dancers from an American TV show.

    Of course, he justified them saying that the container lid designers were telepathically influenced by aliens and that the photos of Asket and Nera were switched without his knowledge. But you would have to be quite gullible to believe those explanations.

  94. jed February 5th, 2010 10:37 pm

    yeah – but problem is a lot of people who are so QUICK to bring up this point about the questionability of these explanations also believe that the queen of england is a shapeshifting reptilian – go figure!

    i would say that compared to this – the possibility that designs for an anti-grav craft COULD actually (spatially an technically at least) double up for designs to a handy container lid – (once those plans had made their ways into the machining/inustrial sector that is) – is not so completely beyong the realms of the possible at all!

    also the asket and nera affair is separate – once you get into it – there is no question that external duplicity is involved here – owing to facial inconsistencies. – & various other v. important issues relating to that.

    end result – Meier is REAL!


  95. Mori February 6th, 2010 5:49 pm

    I don’t follow that logic, jed. It sounds like the underpants gnomes logic.

    1- Some people believe Queen Elizabeth is a shepashifting reptilian.
    2 – ???
    3- Meier is REAL!

    I know your argument is not like that, but the fact you will assume a container lid has telepathical influences and the dancer herself is wrong on claiming it was her on those Meier photos, that’s not very reasonable.

  96. Felix May 10th, 2010 9:58 am

    The garbage bin lid is the clincher as far as I can see, it’s immediately obvious that he’s used it to make a model. Also the pterodactyl picture is clearly identical to the one shown in the debunkers book.
    However I’ve read several accounts that his hangers on had got totally out of control with infighting etc etc. Is it possible that his group was infiltrated at some stage by a secret service group, with the intention of setting him up?
    UFOs do exist, we are being visited but I’m afraid Billy has blown it, either by not being vigilant or just by outright lies.
    He’s lost my support, that’s for sure.

  97. Carlton June 1st, 2010 11:17 am

    I too believe Billy saw a UFO at some point in his life…. But from that he was inspired to try and change what doesn’t like about the world. His “backing-up” being the videos and photos as evidence that he’s telling us the truth. (I think they’re fake too).

    Some of his preaching is contradictory and is illogical when weighed up to his over all ideal vision of a smaller human population on this planet.

    I do believe however that some of his “theories” make sense. i.e. that the force behind evolution is a super intelligent entity.

    Does truth come out in the end??? It will but….. I don’t think the current living generations of this world will see it.
    We are still pretty young as a species (if compared to some other species on this planet).

    The key to all of this, is death. If we knew exactly what happens during/after death, we would then know many answers to many questions.

  98. Maou Tsaou July 28th, 2010 12:18 am

    After reading this thread I’m struck by the power of the human mind for belief or faith.
    This is a two-edged sword.
    An example of this is christianity.
    Regardless of one’s subjective views on the subject the objective facts simply do not support either the existence or non-existence of an actual person jesus.
    In other words, unless/until new evidence arises nobody can make a conclusive argument for either case no matter how strong one’s subjective feelings on the subject.
    Passion does not equate to proof.
    There is where the issue should rest, but many people confuse their subjective belief for objective truth.
    An atheist has no more claim to knowledge beyond this life than anyone else.
    Faith in the non-existence of god is the same faith as that in the existence of god.
    Of course, atheism doesn’t have an objective text incorporated in its belief system.
    It’s how the christians deal with their text that really shows how out of hand belief can get.
    Over time, the christian belief system has changed and evolved, but many won’t admit it.
    Take the trinity and the argument over I John 5:7.
    I’m not advocating any particular point of view over this, rather pointing out that if one googles the passage the claims both ways often make universal claims about its authenticity depending on the authors beliefs concerning the trinity and the bibles inerrancy and so fourth rather than admitting that its authenticity is certainly questionable.
    Now here’s my point about the ufo thing.
    From the objective point of view there’s an old saying; extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.
    While the non-believers are exercising the same kind of belief in their denial, their claim is significantly less extraordinary than that of the believers.
    If I don’t believe in christianity I don’t have to explain why a supposed “virgin birth” with only the female xx chromosome present would come out male rather than female, or why it would be important to practice ritualistic cannibalism; I can just ask the questions.
    The burden is on the believers to answer their claims.
    Seeing is believing, and I’m not doubting those that claim to have seen a ufo, but by definition a ufo is unidentified.
    To claim that the unidentified object is piloted by aliens seems to be a subjective reach too me without some kind of proof.
    There’s no harm in speculation unless it’s presented as fact.
    As for myself, I feel that the whole idea of extra terrestrial ufo’s smacks of anthropic bias.
    If these beings exist in the manner popularly portrayed then they certainly aren’t exhibiting much to suggest they are somehow better, or more advanced than ourselves… especially if they can’t even keep the things in the air.
    I’m not sure how much faith I’d put in the advice of something that traverses the stars just to crash in New Mexico for goodness sake.

  99. John August 9th, 2010 9:46 pm

    Hmmmmmmmmm Let me let you all in on something here. The dino photo taken by Billy was taken and shared BEFORE that magazine was published, clever you debunkers but not clever enough.

  100. Nguyen Toom August 11th, 2010 5:43 pm

    It’s simple … Forget about the polystyrene plastic flying saucer models, the volumes of documents that only consist of mass table of contents,(as if that isn’t bad enough) Meier insists that he was visited [don’t get me wrong I’m qouting Wendelle Stevens exact statements] 116 times in a period of less than 5 years.

    Why couldn’t someone just sit there and wait with him on his estate in Switzerland for this “man from space” in his spaceship/alpine chocolate wedding cake to return-during one of the visits ???

    I’m not being mean or making fun of him, get out a cheap calculator and do the math-that’s an average of one visit every 2 weeks …

  101. Dude September 17th, 2010 1:36 pm

    The fact of the matter is THEY are here and they exist. If you can’t figure that out your lost in space.
    As for Billy’s story, screw the vid, screw the photos, but please do explain his material samples? He faked that? riiiiiight.

    Did you forget about his engine noise? Did you not see them trying to debunk this way back when. I believe the conclusion was that humans didnt have synthesizers able to produce the same sound.
    It would take 10 synthesizers at that time to even duplicate it.
    I see this evidence is inconclusive to you, sloppy research in my opinion.
    Beside having thousands of photos with multiple crafts proved extremely hard in those times to fake, these days anyone can fake something like this.

  102. morlam September 18th, 2010 1:36 pm

    Synthesizers? You don’t need them. Stretch some fishing line tight between two trees and suspend a ufo model from it. The wind blows and vibrates the line at various resonant frequencies. Those vibrations go into the models which vibrate in sympathy and produce sound because they are two plates vibrating off each other like 2 speaker cones. No synthesizers needed! It will cost you about £5.
    1000’s of photos is exactly what I got suspending ufo models on fishing line. It only depends on how much he was willing to pay for rolls of film? The method is easy in any decade even if you’ve only got one hand.
    material samples? …that strangely went missing after it was fabricated that thulium was present? How convenient that that little gem was NOT varified. In the vid. “contact” the analysis shows only copper and silver. Not thulium. The voice over simply says it “contained a small amount of thulium.”
    If you want to believe in it that’s up to you though dude. They make alot of money out this nonsense by “hooking” you. It starts with publishing deals which are worth 100’s of 1000’s of $$$ KER-CHING!!!

  103. Maou Tsaou September 20th, 2010 12:42 am

    “Did you forget about his engine noise? Did you not see them trying to debunk this way back when. I believe the conclusion was that humans didnt have synthesizers able to produce the same sound.
    It would take 10 synthesizers at that time to even duplicate it.”

    But don’t you get the ‘anthropic bias’ thing I mentioned?
    Noise from an engine is waste energy just like heat.
    If these cats haven’t mastered thermodynamics then what good are they from a fear/knowledge standpoint?
    Once mankind lost the depths of the wilderness to push most of their boogymen into (bigfoot doesn’t build spaceships does he?) the new Avalon became outer-space.
    This is good for the imagination as long as folks don’t claim opinion as truth.
    Doing that is tantamount to a claim on a knowledge that the rest of us lack, and don’t that make one feel all high and mighty?

  104. mark October 2nd, 2010 2:50 am

    here is one guy reproduced the ufo sound:
    credits to him..
    as far as this tory is concerned..he may have took some real pictures..but his personal contact is a hoax..and no one will ever need ‘his’ story to wake up or become enlightened..as we all know ufos and e.ts are real..

  105. mark October 2nd, 2010 2:58 am

    if you think deeply..no one will need a billy meier or someone to guide them. we are our own guides..this guy is running a website, selling books, materials and all stuff..if someone is so spiritual,and awakened, he hardly will live a materialistic life..and if someone has real contact with e.ts then why reveal it? if he wants to spread the truth, this isn’t a certain way..and why would the e.ts waste their time pondering over each and every affair of the earthlings? it seems that they have got explanations/answers for every question put forward..so whats actually ‘their’ purpose if they seem to know everything? dont bring up the photographs, raygun in the name of evidence. if they are found out to be fake then why bother making evidence in the first place? we all know e.ts are real..so we dont need someone to preach this..we will evolve ourselves..

  106. mark October 2nd, 2010 3:07 am

    if someone is so sure that his predictions are true..then show us some newspaper,magazine or a published article about his predictions before it actually happened..

  107. Felix October 2nd, 2010 11:36 pm

    I emailed his representative, pointing out those pictures with the garbage bin lid (attached) but all he would do was ramble on about what a great guy Billy was and how much he’d done for the UFO crowd and how he was above all the debunker stuff,..bla bla bla but he wouldn’t address the issue of the FAKE PICTURES. All he had to do was discuss the issue but he completely avoided it.
    If the pictures were fakes set up by debunkers then wouldn’t Billy or his people try to get to the bottom of this fraud,after all it is a case of Libel isn’t it? If it was me I’d chase down the people who created the fake pictures get the evidence on them and then sue their asses off in court but Billy has done nothing to address the issue.

  108. allen October 28th, 2010 5:17 pm

    Just saw this . do you know when the first wedding cake picture was submitted? When did those particular lids go into production. The lids look plastic.

  109. Stephen Clementson November 18th, 2010 4:45 pm

    I have just received a spam email from Michael Horn (as of 18th November 2010), which included the following, remarkable, subsection:

    “And please reassure me that you understand that Meier’s UFO evidence was NEVER meant to be the hard proof. It WAS meant to provoke the controversy and to – hopefully – get some thinking human beings to explore the case.”

    In other words, Michael Horn is admitting that Billy Meier UFOs were only meant to mislead people into investigating the case, because it would otherwise have no substance.

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  111. Reverend Kevin Howard December 3rd, 2010 11:24 pm

    EarthCentric is what I call someone who wants to believe All UFO claims are false. The more you debunk, the more it sounds desperate on the part of the Debunker. I was Not there, but neither were you. There was NO such thing as Photoshop in the 1970’s. So you say a One Armed man made giant Fake spaceships to photograph many different times? Could it be you just Don’t want to accept it or is it your job to spread disinformation?

  112. tunich December 5th, 2010 1:55 am

    You don’t need someone else to tell you that its fake. Its quite obvious in the photographs. Yes there was no Photoshop then. And it wasn’t required to produce these amateurish trash with fake perspective and depth of field effects.
    It is when you whack out the weeds will you find the real source. This case is a weed. Provide one solid proof of his prophecies or his contact with aliens. All of his prophecies are post-dictions. And there is no evidence that he actually had contact with beings. His photographs of UFOs that he took doesn’t prove his personal contact. We see UFOs daily..does that mean a person is in contact with them? Again, evidence please.

  113. Maou Tsaou December 10th, 2010 5:43 am

    “EarthCentric is what I call someone who wants to believe All UFO claims are false.”

    Earth-centric strikes me as a better term than anthropomorphic…
    Nobody has ever been outside of an “Earth centered” orbit yet.
    Anthropomorphism assumes that “human” traits are somehow better than other “classes” of life.
    Sure there are likely all kinds of slime molds out there, but the last two terms of the Drake Equation suggest that the duration of a technical culture likely to be able to interact with us in any meaningful way is actually quite small.
    A currently floated solution in astronomy circles is around 20 for the Milky Way.
    If we distribute these roughly equidistant from each other then the simple q&a time between worlds is enough to make practical communication theoretically improbable at best.
    I am happy to admit that this life is so much more than my preconceptions, but to ask me to capitulate to your own viewpoint because my decent appears “desperate” to you is a fallacy of “my thoughts better than your thought” bullying IMO.
    I’m saying that by the objective rules that we use in things like text that everybody can read the idea of extra-Earth-centric life has yet to meet an objective standard.
    Maybe bacteria for Mars…, that’s outta a Earth-centric orbit and into a helio-centric view at least.

    The problem is that we’re about 50 years into the listen campaign without hearing/seeing a single “I Love Alpha Centauri Lucy”.
    If they are out there, they are likely too far to ever have meaningful discourse with.
    the q&a times involved make a solution for “global warming” from aliens just ’50 light years away’ * 2 for a question to get answered, implying a century wait.
    If they are so much more advanced than that (FTL travel/communication) then why do they suddenly become more inept than our own test pilots once they get here?
    Why wouldn’t WE be the aliens that the rest of the universe need fear?
    It’s all “Cricket” anyway…

  114. DAidrick Kraegar December 16th, 2010 5:27 pm

    Totally enjoyed reading ‘others’ thoughts and reflections. Seems to me to be the objective Meier planned on.

    “Reality”? I think we each make our own. Quantum mechanics provides for each of us – and the 10 x power of the possibilities.

    Having read – yes read, each and every contact report of Meier’s, seen the ‘evidence'; listened and read the commentary – – I wouldn’t want to choose to be Meier – or any one else who has commented or agreed/disagreed with him.

    Live long, enjoy the debate, prosper; do creative, KIND acts.


  115. Maou Tsaou December 22nd, 2010 1:50 am


    Another major argument that disrespects the ingenuity of our ancestors falls by the wayside!


    How did our ancestors raise giant monoliths w/o alien tech?
    This gentleman in MI manages it all by his lonesome.

    Belief is NOT doing, although it IS a strong motivator to attempt to do.
    The doing is the test of the soundness of your belief.
    To disbelieve that the sun will rise in the east and set in the west tomorrow and then staying inside a dark room all the next day seems to be a good analogy of the “new age” approach.
    Big claims that don’t actually DO anything are… well maybe subjectively worth something, but that isn’t license to inflict your subjective experience on the rest of us.
    Show the rest of us how to do something objective, or at least that you can do it for us and we have something to discuss.
    Tell me about someone in particulars pipe-dream like I must adopt said dream for myself and I’ll direct you down the road to where you might find some ‘sheepole’ for your purposes.

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  117. Randy January 16th, 2011 8:10 pm

    There is no question there is something going on here with Mr Meier. After many years of research in the UFO field (with my
    own personal experiences since twelve) my conclusion is this
    is a deception of the spiritual nature. The attempt made to
    discredit Jesus the Messiah through the so-called manuscript
    the Talmud of Jmmanuel was the last straw. There is a war going
    on for our souls people, there is a heaven and hell, don’t be
    deceived the choice is yours! Go ahead call out to any ET you
    wish in time of trouble and see if they answer you. Jesus
    literally saved my physical life and most importantly my soul. Go ahead, please do, put him to the test and you will see he is the Most High GOD.

  118. DAK January 18th, 2011 4:50 pm

    Randy, your reasoning is yours. Without any substantive proof that your Jesus lived(notwithstanding the history of Isa, in India) actually wrote anything – you have not a foundation of fact.

    When one lives among us, we can talk with them and become the person we choose. Your delusion of ‘call out’ to God, is from the interior of your mind. Did your “Jesus” actually show up – fly in a ‘ufo’, or stand in the air. What form of fact is in evidence to support your claims.

    Of the many readers of Meier, Jesus, Mohamed, Buddha, Joseph Smith, Ellen G. White, Geo Bush, et cetera – where is YOUR proof.

    The whole purpose (of living)- as seen from history – is to LEARN from it, change what we can, and work for the best in all things.

    Grow the heck up, people!


  119. Pathnavigator February 2nd, 2011 5:30 am

    Billy might have seen a UFO, but all his prophesies and philosophies are are fabricated for personal gains…. the alien knowledge of soul and reincarnation are all detailed 1000 times more in the Hindu religious books as Vedas, Upanishads etc…. he is certainly bluffing on that front.

  120. david February 3rd, 2011 4:12 pm

    dude, just because hes been told that reincarnation and spiritual evoloution are reality dosent necesarily mean hes takin earth philosophies and put his own spin on it for, as you and so many others say personal gains. If u research it thoroughly you may find its a whole other story, skimmin the surface and comin to conclusions that are often forced by skeptical know it alls will never enlighten you. However since he did travel the world and studied religions and philosphies, there will always be the arguement that he came up with that from the studies. Some of the plejaren prophicies have been fulfilled and are currently being so aswell. All in all, i have to say it would be more unbelievable for some one to stage such a complex hoax for no apparent reason than it would be for the case to be atleast based on reality

  121. thetruth February 8th, 2011 2:21 pm

    Without a sufficient amount of research and study on the matter, no one’s opinion is intelligent enough to render the experiences true or false. In regards to the dinosaur photos and the illustrations in the book, it is obvious to anyone with eyes that the pictures are not the same. Yes, two apples will always look the same, until you examine the details and shape and find that they are different. My point is, that it should be clear to anyone with a brain that the dinosaur book was published after Billy’s photos were revealed, and the illustrations were made to mimic Billy’s photos to create speculation and cause believers to disbelieve. It should also be clear that Billy was constantly surrounded by 100’s of people daily who had their own intentions and agendas to reap from Billy’s experiences. There were fabricated photos and, possibly, videos made to fool the public, not by Billy, but by the untrustworthy, business and money hungry individuals who plagued his atmosphere. Without the desire for Spiritual growth, knowledge of Creation, knowledge of Spirit, Science of Nature, purification or Spiritual evolution, you will not find anything of value in the Meier case. Speculation is good, but not without a desire to find the answer. Opinions come from the mouths of fools.

  122. david February 11th, 2011 10:38 am

    good points ‘the truth’

  123. nguyen toom February 11th, 2011 6:06 pm

    If it makes the guy feel any better he’s right, people shouldn’t fight, hurt each other and make war and destroy things-but there’s still no giant wedding cakes flying to and from his farm

  124. Maou Tsaou February 12th, 2011 7:26 am

    “Without a sufficient amount of research and study on the matter, no one’s opinion is intelligent enough to render the experiences true or false.”

    This kind of attitude really pisses me off.
    What is a “sufficient amount of research and study” supposed to mean?
    Someone who bothers to work in the area of “science” shouldn’t be bothered to address such… CRAP.
    Unless there is some falsifiable part to this claim that can be put to objective experiment that can be repeated for all of humanity then the whole thing is a fantasy much like any other religious belief.
    I don’t care if “the little green men” come from Avalon as “elves” or Mars as “aliens”, if I can’t test them objectively for all to see then it’s all “your” belief against “mine” isn’t it?
    It’s nutters to think that any objective minded person would bother to waste time “studding” anything like this beyond the time that’s already been wasted.

  125. thetruth February 12th, 2011 12:04 pm

    There is no need to become angry my friend. We are only having a discussion. I read some of your earlier posts and I was wondering…are you a scientist? You have alot to say about what we can and cannot do considering the conditions of Space and Earth, but I am wondering where you got all of your scientific information. Did you do the experiments yourself? Did you fly into space and learn this for yourself, otherwise, what foundation do you have for the facts that you present other than text books, radio, media, magazines, TV, word of mouth etc…
    isnt that the same source that others have used to gain knowledge of Meier? Even beyond his claims of UFO’s, Plajerans, etc… his insight exceeds any knowledge that you could bring to the table, even if he is a liar, it seems i have already learned more about myself through his lies than through your “truth”…..
    learn to control your emotions, than maybe I will believe that you have knowledge regarding anything.

  126. david February 13th, 2011 7:30 am

    once again, good points!

  127. david February 13th, 2011 7:33 am

    btw, if you go to the ghostheory link that was posted on 16th january here you can follow a long debate on this case, which i have contributed to many times. i think you would enjoy it ‘the truth’

  128. jay February 14th, 2011 1:51 pm

    What you say corresponds to the truth :)Saalome. May Billys’& the Plajerans teachings reach far and wide.

  129. Maou Tsaou February 15th, 2011 3:09 am

    “There is no need to become angry my friend”…

    I am sorry that my text gave you the impression of anger.
    Is “frustration” anger?


    Still, my point is that as an objective minded person I’d like a little “inclusion” from a “fact” point of view rather than some kind of … I guess I mean who exactally is supposed to be in charge of the touchy-feely bits of that……………………..


  130. Justin February 15th, 2011 6:55 am


    The article completely ignores one crutial fact:

    Billy Meier INTENTIONALLY created some fake UFOs and took pictures of them. At some point he decided to create a fake UFO and take photos to show how his photos differentiated from the real ones. I don’t know the full details, but at some point this DID happen.

    Billy Meier is 100% genuine, he did have contacts with ETs, and the photos are real (just because the UFOS look corny, doesn’t mean they aren’t genuine. I’m sure our cars from the 1970s would look corny to alien visitors, wouldn’t they?), but somewhere along the way, due to the influences of dozens of various nefarious and not-trustworthy characters, possibly even a government cointelpro op, his message got muddled and he was made a fool of and completely discredited (by others, and by himself, some of it intentional, some by accident).

    You have to take the WHOLE of his story into account. By selectively focusing on the phontos of the FAKE UFOS that HE purposefully made to demonstrate that his photos were real, you miss the bigger picture.

    Furthermore, just because Michael Horn is not the best representative of the Meier case does not take away from it.

    I also do not believe the aliens intended to provide proof of their presence. If they wanted to provide us proof, they would quickly bypass Billy and use a more reliable means.

    If WE humans visited an alien planet, we might subtely make our presence known, but avoid completely giving ourselves away, so as to not influence their natural evolution. That seems to be the aliens M.O.: stay in the background, do not interfere. It’s not anymore unreasonable than how we might observe an ant colony, or a herd of elephants. From a distance, undetectable to their consciousness.

    What’s frustrating is that over the 50 year-plus story of Billy Meier, there is so much disinformation and confusion.

  131. david February 20th, 2011 6:14 pm

    yep, pretty much. Although your story of him making models and photographing them for a purpose, is that factual, or your own interpretation? because it is the first time ive come across it, i know the plejaren preformed dubious flight manuvers etc, and they prob knew that thinking people would realise some things, and they didnt want to prove them selves as definite, more just a message, take the wisdom from it or dont, its your decision sort of stance. For the few photos and storys that are debunkable debatable there are so many things that are corroborated and just obvious. The wisdom/knowledge is in the contacts for sure, the spacecraft are more coincidental, just something people they travel in, thats all, as they are apparently well in advance of us, i can understand their position, non intereference, and choosing to relay a meassage through one person, this is logical, otherwise all chaos would be the outcome

  132. Maou Tsaou February 28th, 2011 1:08 am

    So this was fake on PURPOSE?

    My goodness…
    All I can say is “to hell with him” if this is true.

    Are you sure about such a claim?

    If true, can the man BE more stupid about proving his claim?
    Thank GOD for assholes like y’all that know better than the rest of us…

  133. thetruth February 28th, 2011 4:16 pm


    it’s in your right as a human being to be skeptical and to question everything – for the purpose of knowing more about yourself. As much as your responses seem to purposefully attack believers of facts that are simply inagreeable to you, your comments foolishly unmask your own uncertainty. You are still seeking Truths about your life, your existence, your self. Why else would you still come to this post? There must be something here for you, and beyond what you think you are saying in your comments – you are expressing your personal issues and your level of understanding by revealing what you preoccupy yourself with, mentally. Admit that you are fascinated by this whole case and that you cannot come to a conclusion in your own mind about it; rather than calling your own inability to discern the truth from the false as “disbelief”. You seem too obsessed with this topic to just simply disbelieve it and there is clearly more to your interest than to ignorantly shut down others who’s facts hold as much ground to their inner beliefs as yours do to you. Meier’s case has never been about the UFO’s, photos, metal samples or videos – and bias skepticism and fanaticism will keep anyone from penetrating the outer layer of these useless facts to get to the core and significance of the Meier case; which is in the teachings.
    Your technique of doubting and weighing facts for the purpose of understanding the Truth would be beneficial if applied to Meier’s message itself, which is unchanging – unlike the speculations made by the outside observer regarding the validity of the UFO’s, photos, videos and contacts – which will always shift and change in time depending on one’s own development in the case or himself.
    We are all seekers; but only some of us are honest.
    It is better to be supportive of someone who is wrong, then it is to attack those who actually may be right.

  134. david February 28th, 2011 7:13 pm

    the truth

    you are a good spokesperson for the case, empathy and understanding. It usually goes over critics heads though.

  135. Mat March 24th, 2011 9:55 pm

    lol. This is a photo of a MODEL made by one of Meier’s followers to demonstrate what one of the craft looked like. when debunkers attempting to crush Meier’s story visited his Swiss farm and found the model, they took pictures of it to ‘prove’ Meier’s ‘hoax’, when it was already well known he had worked with model makers to re-construct one of the ships allegedly photographed by him.

    I am on the fence about this, I consider myself an open minded skeptic, but this is a travesty of a debunking which concentrates on an already debunked debunking.

    do some research and don’t just copy and paste the first thing you read on the internet. You’re discrediting the entire skeptikal movement in this case.

  136. sam April 16th, 2011 2:33 pm

    I believe that some of his pictures are fake. However I read that Meier was given some sort of sample by one of these “aliens.” This sample was tested by scientists and they found out that it could not be created by any elements on Earth…

  137. Ron Nicholson May 7th, 2011 6:11 pm

    So just what is it that makes Billy Meiers so special that he and he alone is chosen to make contact with? Why does he conveniently have his camera with him whenever a ‘UFO’ is about? Why did his wife dismiss the sightings as fake in a British television programme in the 1980s? Why is he always on his own whenever he films the UFOs?
    Lastly, why do so many people accept whatever he claims as true without doing any investigations of their own? I keep an open mind on all claims but I’m willing to put my hands up when I’ve been duped. That way I don’t feel so silly. I do not believe in God but I remember the wise statement that says,’When a person stops believing in God, he’ll believe anything’. Don’t be in a rush to believe or disbelieve until you’ve done your homework.

  138. david May 10th, 2011 6:09 pm

    all valid questions that are all awnsered if and when one chooses to done homework :)

    p.s believe is the concept that we are trying to eradicate, noone should believe anything, just gain knowledge and come to your own conclusion, anybody who realise something of value within the mass amount of info that meier has released has resarched it thoroughly

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  140. Zuppy November 3rd, 2011 9:03 am

    I’m sorry you wasted part of your life “exposing” this. All UFO pics are fake. There are no aliens on this planet, never have been, and probably never will be. Space is just too darn big.

  141. Behzad November 23rd, 2011 8:00 am

    Billy Meier’s main effort was to bring knowledge and wisdom for all the humanity around the world who are suffering of falsified religions and believes.
    If you pay attention and study it with a neutral mind then you will notice how the information and teaching sit in your heart. Photos, videos, material samples, prophecies and predictions plus existing many witnesses etc…would never satisfy the type of human beings who trust only his/her own eyes. So this type of discussions never get any where.

  142. Antares December 19th, 2011 9:28 am

    The story of Billy Meier is just that, a fairytale.
    His own son came recently forward to denounce it in an open letter, where he wrote among many other disturbing things, that he does not believe half of what Billy Meier says and needs to see those plejaren with his own eyes to change his mind.


    Son of Billy Meier speaks out: “Dear Father, I’ve had enough!”

    Methusalem Meier (38), the second-oldest son of the controversial Swiss “UFO prophet” Billy Meier (74), has finally had enough: In an open letter, twelve pages long, he casts a very harsh judgement on his father, but also on himself – and equally on the members of Billy’s controversial UFO sect, FIGU, and its alien fairytales.
    The accusations are substantial: Methusalem accuses his father of being physically violent both to his mother, Kalliope, and himself over the course of many years.

    Why has he done so publicly?
    “Because I want to distance myself once and for all from the nasty games and machinations of my father – in order finally to start a new life.”
    The entire german letter from Methusalem Meier can be downloaded as a PDF file (see the link below).
    In contrast to Billy, Methusalem Meier is willing at all times to answer questions: “I have nothing to hide. It’s high time that the world discovers the sad truth about my father.” Whoever wants to contact Methusalem Meier personally can do so at his direct e-mail address: [email protected]

    Methusalem Meier’s open letterh in german:

    Where is that crook of Horn?

  143. Joseph Hiddink February 18th, 2012 2:57 pm

    Gravity Control, the technology used by a Flying Saucer, I discovered and patented. Offered to Nasa, so that it could be applied to the Shuttles that thereupon would be able to fly to the ISS in an hour, the Moon in a few hours and Mars within one day. I wanted ony $50 Million for the invention which had been evaluated by the Hudson Institute for Strategical Studies at $600 Billion if the USA would have it before Russia. It was rejected by the Propulsion Engineers in Cleveland, Ohio. It would make the Rocket Industry obsolete.
    Finally, after the second Space Disaster, they decided to experiment with the circuitry, did not ask me for advice like I had urged, saved Nasa $50 million dollars and caused Billions of dollars of damage when they blew the big Power Transformer Station on their grounds to Kingdom Come and caused the big black-out of 2003 in the USA and Canada.
    They were able to tell the ignorant American Public that a Tree had done it all and informed Mr. Griffin, that the technology, used by a Flying Saucer was unsuitable for Space Travel.
    That was the dead stroke for Nasa.
    See the patent at One Terminal Capacitor Joseph Hiddink.

  144. behzad March 24th, 2012 4:37 am

    Do not waste your time on photos, videos, metal samples, predictions and prophecies.
    Please read the contact notes and the spiritual teaching by Billy Meier then you decide for yourself if the above are true or hoax!

    Truth cannot be earned easily.

  145. Sudesh March 24th, 2012 11:12 am

    His messages are nothing new. You don’t really need Billy Meier to realize the truth and neither his photos and contact stories to wake up and smell the coffee. People have long been running after guys like him to search for the truth but the truth lies within and in front of our eyes. So don’t be fooled by people claiming personal contact with aliens. Read Jack Vallee’s books on UFOs. Hope it will help.

    The personal contact story is bollocks anyway. I would credit him for the photos though-only if its found to be real. And there is a group out there who have bought his materials and books and DVDs and they want you to succumb too. Don’t fall for this obvious trap. Its part of a money making scheme and Michael Horn is thoroughly into it. I request people to ignore his materials and read some ‘real’ materials and invest time seriously and not with these clowns of ufology. The rest is up to you.

  146. farktards April 1st, 2012 7:38 pm

    Wow the derp ahherp is strong in these comments. Its good to see theres plunty of stupid stil ripe for ripping off.

  147. DAK April 9th, 2012 10:46 pm

    Every now and then – I get a notice when someone answers to this blog; the sorting is VERY EASY – as those who never read, don’t think critically, listen to debunking from any source, and never actually measure a thing about this or other well-documented cases, – – – all these show to anyone who does them(actually study) that they are small-brained, non-intelligent earth-based life forms who want someone else to save themselves from their own will-full ignorance!

    Sad, but oh so true – especially amongst those who are religious, and need a ‘god’ to save them from their stupidity!

  148. Pânico no Trânsito May 28th, 2012 2:55 pm

    Is actually funny how people get 2 photos, prove that they CAN BE DUPLICATE with earthly objects and say the guy is a hoaxer! That’s really scientific work…

    The problem is they forget:

    – the other thousands of clear bright day detailed photos

    – the hundreds of testimonies from all kind of people, even skeptics (even Winters and respectfull Wendelle Stevens)

    – the hundreds of photos he already had in middle 60’s all of them never proved fake even today, even with the most advanced scanners or the most recognized experts (JPL, US Naval labs and many others)

    – the dozens of films never proved fake(Fuji TV and others)

    – The dozens of predictions corroborated by published books years before they happen (NASA, world news and many others)

    – The non profit life he lives

    …and i could continue for many lines.

    I’m not a Meier’s fan but I’m open minded and the best argument I found on the internet against Billy Meier (and I searched and read a lot of skeptical opinions) is:

    Is too good to be real.

  149. […] So, you can see how the alleged medium and friend of aliens, orbs and crop circles simply places cutouts in front of the camera. And you may have recognized that these recent spaceships he photographed near the Dutch crop circles, along with people from the DCCA and Nancy Talbott, from BLT Research, which claims to be “Crop Circle Science”, are just cutouts of photos originally from Billy Meier. […]

  150. Shane July 26th, 2012 11:27 am

    Clearly their are many who debunk BIllie Meier and hoped they could prove to themselves, as well as gain fame, that their evidence presented stands the test of time, however! Failing to acknowledge tests performed by reputable professionals – regarding metal samples, sound recordings, photo analysts, and so forth, – displays absolute lack of intelligence to begin with. First off, try to disprove that what IBM and others confirmed, then present evidence disproving Billie. 

    The man has gleaned much from a race of humans visitors who intend improve mankind’s waywardness. That’s really the simplest way to understand it. 

    Their are contactees Alex Collier, who offer no photographic, or object of proof other that the Andromedan messages – which frankly I believe has more essence than actual physical proof. Clearly when reading the the Andromedan writings, one can recognize a knowledge beyond earth. 
    Why do I say that? 
    Evidently humanity fails on many levels of spirituality that remains overlooked for centuries. These guys come along, overview our nefarious activities, put in perspective a solution in the most simplest writing, that hardly needs proof because it will and does make sense to every conscious individual. Bottomline is these Andromedan visitors found no need to offer any proof for debunkers to divert the essence of the message. They speak to the conscious and whoever wishes to deny it – may do so – is the attitude. They are more mature in their dealings is my opinion.

    When one assumes it is impossible to receive messages from another race, beyond our solar system, then already this makes one ignorantly vain and plain ol stupid. Yet many debunkers are willing to believe God’s Son came from heaven to save mankind. Frankly this is more ridiculous. 
    Clearly Jesus is the son of a human from another planet. Genesis and other religious literature expounds many of these interplanetary sexual relations between sons of gods and daughters of man. The ancient alien theorist are exposing much fact on this very subject. 

    Investigate truth
    Investigate ALL religions and you WILL discover a similar trend with prophets and messengers, in that they all were prepared from a young age, had dealings and guidance from ‘angels’ or ‘gods’. Also discover when the meetings took place it described some sort of landing and flight by some sort of DOVE, BURAQ, CLOUD, PILLAR OF LIGHT, and whatever best known at the time description of an unidentified flying craft.  In reality those who worship religions are actually fostering a misunderstood belief system from an alien visitors. Also be aware in your search that not all those who visited left a good message or had good intentions. There were wars between these Angels and Gods, genetic manipulations, enslavement, human sacrifices, and the evil list goes on. 

    Getting back to Meier, 
    Focus on the message he delivers, as it is very important, and pay less attention to what craft these visitors fly in. Perhaps you skeptics will learn something useful. Also, is it necessary to point out which scientist revealed this and that to corroborate his message, specifically global warming. One does not have to be a scientist to know that we are destroying our inviolable earth. There are so much to change or improve on to stop this crisis, such as over extraction of oil and gas, mining minerals, over fishing and destroying the most needed element – seawater. The sea is responsible for cleaning our atmosphere and much more. 

    So before we attempt to disprove or destroy the messenger and it’s source, I sagely advise investage the message first.

  151. Shane July 26th, 2012 1:20 pm

    Oops kindly excuse my typos….
    Usually read before posting but one of those day yeknow

  152. Cholo August 1st, 2012 2:08 am

    I can’t believe you are all still debating this.

  153. Sudesh August 1st, 2012 1:24 pm

    A lot of testings done by the specialists were often mis- represented and inflated to fit with Michael Horn’s views. Many of the so called evidence were later found to be wrong. Take a look at this: http://www.iigwest.com/investigations/meier/metal_analysis_deconstruction.html

  154. Philip McAiney August 29th, 2012 3:59 pm

    I am the person holding the “lid” for one of the feed bins for the animals on Billy Meier’s farm that you portrayed on your website. The original picture was taken in 1999 by Richard Parrish (formerly of Los Angeles). I have my own photo taken by him with my camera. You have skillfully but deceptively inserted the golden top of the “wedding cake” ship onto the original. An infantile intention of malicious glee. Nothing changes the authenticity of Meier’s UFO photos, but they do underscore your own adolescent mentality.

  155. Mori August 30th, 2012 6:09 am

    I fail to see deception when the paragraph presents the illustration as the result of using “some Photoshop skills to correctly scale the Weddingcake craft.” I didn’t even try to correctly place the montage on your hands and fingers, so as to leave no room for anyone to ever think the illustration was an actual photograph.

    Thank you for your input.

  156. Karl September 25th, 2012 6:23 am

    As far as I know many of Meier’s photos where stolen and then faked and spread on the Internet so that those who analyze the photos will see they’re fake.

    Another thing they’ve said is that the photo of the dinosaur isn’t actually a photo of Meier but someone who wanted to harm him made that up.

  157. Antares October 22nd, 2012 7:13 am

    @Shane and others,
    Sorry to disappoint you, but it has appeared that even the alleged Plejaren alphabet of Billy Meier ( http://www.flickr.com/photos/nokodemjon/7319926614/ ) is a deception: http://www.omniglot.com/writing/malachim.htm
    Quote: “The Malachim alphabet is derived from the Hebrew and Greek alphabets. It was created by Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa during the 16th Century and is still used by Freemasons to a limited extent. This version is from Bartolozzi’s Biblioteca Magna Rabbinica, 1675.”
    Source: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=219172&st=75

  158. Antares October 22nd, 2012 6:28 pm

    See also Angelic/Celestial alphabet by the same author, Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa: http://www.omniglot.com/writing/angelic.htm

  159. Fondue April 3rd, 2013 12:02 am

    It’s good that we have debunkers, and we do need them. Sad that he managed to do it for this long.That takes some skills. Hahaha
    Crazy swiss farmer LOL

  160. Taro November 16th, 2014 6:50 pm

    Just in case anyone still reads this “investigation”, there is an in-depth analysis by Rhal Zahi of the very same object you see here:


    In general, he analyses the reflections in the spheres using scale models, 3D modeling software, and some math(oooh, scary math) to determine the size of the main object in the photos and concludes a diameter of at least 3 metres rather than 0.55, the size of a trash can lid.

    BTW Mori, your “smoking gun” links appear to have…run out of smoke?

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