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	<title>Comments on: Old Man Winter and a creepy ghost pareidolia</title>
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		<title>By: pickover (Cliff Pickover)</title>
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		<dc:creator>pickover (Cliff Pickover)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the word &quot;pareidolia.&quot; http://tinyurl.com/75bmjg</description>
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		<title>By: skepnet (The Skeptic Network)</title>
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		<dc:creator>skepnet (The Skeptic Network)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old Man Winter and a creepy ghost pareidolia http://is.gd/eJYh</description>
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		<title>By: Dedicated_Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dedicated_Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!  I&#039;m &quot;DD&quot; you referenced above...

I&#039;ve made it clear elsewhere that (as I see it) we basically have (3) logical possibilities:

(1) Deliberate Hoax
(2) Pareidolia
(3) Paranormal.

If you examine the two animated gifs of the second &quot;figure&quot; side-by-side, you&#039;ll see that there are multiple flashlights in play in the scene, and that they&#039;re in quite different places the two times the &quot;figure&quot; fades in and out.

Further, there seems to be significant similarity in the &quot;Facial features&quot; and &quot;hair-styles&quot; of the &quot;doorway&quot; and &quot;chair&quot; figures.  For one to be &quot;reflection&quot; and the other &quot;spider web&quot; is a pretty big coincidence.

Add this to the fact (as you noted) the two &quot;figures&quot; appear within just a few seconds of video and ... the odds of &quot;coincidence&quot; seem to ME to be so high as to strain credibility.

Which, to me, seems to leave the viable options as &quot;deliberate hoax&quot; and &quot;paranormal.&quot;  I&#039;m not convinced either way - the obvious fact is that all three images (counting each &quot;appearance&quot; of the second as separate though almost identical images) are comprised of just a few frames.  

It would not be exceptionally difficult to &quot;Fake&quot; ~20 frames of video, though IMHO the second &quot;set&quot; - given the aforementioned play of multiple flashlights - would require a significant level of image-editing talent.  I could not do it, but I know people who could without breaking a sweat...

Given a same-model camera, a few flashlights and a couple of helpers it wouldn&#039;t be especially hard to print out all the &quot;clearest&quot; frames and go try to re-create the scene.  Almost anyone could figure out the camera position, and the flashlights also could be relatively easy to duplicate to match a single frame at a time.  I wish I were close enough to this location to go test it out for myself, but perhaps the original owner/creator of the vid would be willing to do so...?

For clarity, I believe nearly all of the so-called &quot;paranormal&quot; pics and vids I&#039;ve ever seen are hoax or pareidolia - the ones I think are even POSSIBLY paranormal could be counted on a single hand.  The subtlety you noted in this case is honestly one of the things that leads me to consider this one as a &quot;possible&quot; - meaning we&#039;ve either got a true &quot;evil genius&quot; here, or a very lucky cameraman...

Thanks for sharing, and letting me chip in as well - I&#039;ll be checking out your site as time permits!

DD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  I&#8217;m &#8220;DD&#8221; you referenced above&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve made it clear elsewhere that (as I see it) we basically have (3) logical possibilities:</p>
<p>(1) Deliberate Hoax<br />
(2) Pareidolia<br />
(3) Paranormal.</p>
<p>If you examine the two animated gifs of the second &#8220;figure&#8221; side-by-side, you&#8217;ll see that there are multiple flashlights in play in the scene, and that they&#8217;re in quite different places the two times the &#8220;figure&#8221; fades in and out.</p>
<p>Further, there seems to be significant similarity in the &#8220;Facial features&#8221; and &#8220;hair-styles&#8221; of the &#8220;doorway&#8221; and &#8220;chair&#8221; figures.  For one to be &#8220;reflection&#8221; and the other &#8220;spider web&#8221; is a pretty big coincidence.</p>
<p>Add this to the fact (as you noted) the two &#8220;figures&#8221; appear within just a few seconds of video and &#8230; the odds of &#8220;coincidence&#8221; seem to ME to be so high as to strain credibility.</p>
<p>Which, to me, seems to leave the viable options as &#8220;deliberate hoax&#8221; and &#8220;paranormal.&#8221;  I&#8217;m not convinced either way &#8211; the obvious fact is that all three images (counting each &#8220;appearance&#8221; of the second as separate though almost identical images) are comprised of just a few frames.  </p>
<p>It would not be exceptionally difficult to &#8220;Fake&#8221; ~20 frames of video, though IMHO the second &#8220;set&#8221; &#8211; given the aforementioned play of multiple flashlights &#8211; would require a significant level of image-editing talent.  I could not do it, but I know people who could without breaking a sweat&#8230;</p>
<p>Given a same-model camera, a few flashlights and a couple of helpers it wouldn&#8217;t be especially hard to print out all the &#8220;clearest&#8221; frames and go try to re-create the scene.  Almost anyone could figure out the camera position, and the flashlights also could be relatively easy to duplicate to match a single frame at a time.  I wish I were close enough to this location to go test it out for myself, but perhaps the original owner/creator of the vid would be willing to do so&#8230;?</p>
<p>For clarity, I believe nearly all of the so-called &#8220;paranormal&#8221; pics and vids I&#8217;ve ever seen are hoax or pareidolia &#8211; the ones I think are even POSSIBLY paranormal could be counted on a single hand.  The subtlety you noted in this case is honestly one of the things that leads me to consider this one as a &#8220;possible&#8221; &#8211; meaning we&#8217;ve either got a true &#8220;evil genius&#8221; here, or a very lucky cameraman&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing, and letting me chip in as well &#8211; I&#8217;ll be checking out your site as time permits!</p>
<p>DD</p>
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