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UFOs: Before they were Alien, they were Nazi

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Just look at the image above: from a strictly fictional point of view, could there be something cooler than Nazi flying saucers fighting at the Second World War? Nazis, they are evil, and now they have flying saucers!

Besides a nice upcoming CGI comedy movie, this is something that could be seen as a background story for a (good) Indiana Jones movie, and in fact, LucasFilm Games sold “Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe” at the beginning of the 1990s – it didn’t include Nazi flying saucers, but it had a Horten flying wing (which was recently recreated, by the way).

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My own interest for ufology started when I was young(er) and first read these wild tales of incredible Nazi flying disks. There are even scale models for sale. I actually believed the stories.

Because, you see, stories and rumours about flying saucers from the evil Nazis are promoted as real fact by not so few. You can read all about how Hitler ran away to the South Pole and the Nazis visited Mars on Kevin McClure’s comprehensive research on the subject published on Magonia, or his short summary and update published on 2003 at ForteanTimes.

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Now fellow Maurizio Verga has published an amazing article which adds a lot of information to the subject, especially at its origins. The article is in Italian – here’s an automated English translation – but it’s well worth the effort to understand it even if you don’t quite get the language (like me).

One of the most interesting finds by Verga in my opinion is the image at the top of this post. The comment that it would be something very cool from a fictional point of view had a reason: pay attention to the signature.

The illustration comes from Amazing Stories, published in July 1943. That’s four years before the start of the modern obsession with flying saucers, and therefore way before anyone associated them with Nazis, much less Aliens.

As Verga remarks, in the 1950s that exact scene – a flying saucer fighting a squadron of Superfortress Flying Fortresses (thanks Craig!)– would be depicted as a supposedly real event over Schweinfurt in 1944.

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[Above, art by Daniele Sabatini, 1998. Compare it with the 1943 Amazing Stories illustration]

It’s not news to the psychosocial theorist that all and every allegedly real element from ufology can be found years before in science fiction. Some examples, however, can be quite impressive, and the Amazing Stories illustration foretelling later Nazi UFOs tales is clearly one of them.

Nazi UFOs are not just a curious sub-area of ufology. At the early years of the field, the idea that flying saucers were very terrestrial secret weapons was one of the most popular explanation for them. Before they were Alien, they were Nazi.

Aliens didn’t even made it to the opinion poll, as the extraterrestrial hypothesis would only be widely popularized in 1950 by Donald Keyhoe.

Now, another interesting bit, Verga also remarks how even Keyhoe mentioned the story he heard that flying saucers were real… British aircraft, captured from the Nazis after the war. They were later transferred to Australia and also Canada, the story went.

Nazi UFOs: an idea so cool that it quickly jumped from Amazing Stories to… amazing stories as told by not quite amazing, and not at all original, mystery sellers.

Be sure to check Verga’s work: WikiUFO, UFO nazisti: leggende dischi volanti tedeschi Nazi UFOs saucers.

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  1. […] and science fiction By hearlabs Leave a Comment Categories: Uncategorized from forgetomori on Nazi UFOs One of the most interesting finds by Verga in my opinion is the image at the top of this post. The […]

  2. Pyrodin February 18th, 2010 2:32 pm

    Not very good research, not even a hint of
    Viktor Schauberger’s Repulsine, the real “nazi ufo”.

    http://www.ultralightamerica.com/edav.htm

  3. SunMesa February 18th, 2010 4:20 pm

    I don’t see why anyone should be particularly surprised that, in the time frame under consideration, UFOs would be associated with Nazis rather than ETs. If the Pentagon were to suddenly vaporize, which do you think would be the party more widely held responsible: (a) Islamic terrorists, or (b) ETs?

  4. PersonFromPorlock February 18th, 2010 6:29 pm

    A minor quibble: Sabatini’s work is quite recent and features on Luft’46, a site that speculates about what European air combat might have looked like had the war continued on through 1946. Also, as far as I know, B-29s were never used in the European theater.

    So “… in the 1950s that exact scene – a flying saucer fighting a squadron of Superfortress – would be depicted as a supposedly real event over Schweinfurt in 1944” is correct neither as to the date of the illustration nor the actuality of the event.

  5. Craig York February 18th, 2010 8:18 pm

    The Schweinfurt event was the genesis of the “Foo Fighters”
    thread of Ufology, and involved the B-29 “superfortress”es
    predecessor, the B-17 “Flying Fortress” so if there is
    any confusion on Mori’s part, its understandable.

    I’ve been interested in the myth of the Nazi flying saucers
    since I ran across a reference to them in a book on German
    secret weapons some thirty years ago. Even then, I thought some
    of the claims strained credulity, but it would take McClure’s
    excellent article in Magonia to show me how thin the claims really were. Mori’s post is especially relevant, as
    one of the most odious of modern propagators of the NUFO myth,
    Ernst Zundel, was recently released from prison in Germany,
    where he had been serving a five-year sentance for Holocaust
    denial.

  6. baccuss February 19th, 2010 12:32 am

    “Before they were alien they were Nazi.”
    Bullpucky! What about the war of the worlds? What about all the hype about contacting mars with radio waves? What about all the supposed alien visitations in the 1870’s – 1880’s?

    Did you do any research?

  7. Mori February 19th, 2010 1:52 am

    And how does Wells’ War of the Worlds has any direct relation with ufology? It surely influenced the area — mainly in the “people will panic” thing — but it didn’t have to do with lights seen in the sky and speculated as alien. They were inequivocally alien. Also the airship waves of the 19th century were mainly… airships, human airships.

    Fact is, as linked, the Gallup poll of 1947 didn’t even had the idea of aliens in it.

  8. Mori February 19th, 2010 8:16 pm

    Thanks Craig for the B-17/B-29 mess on my part… I’ve just corrected the post!

  9. PersonFromPorlock February 20th, 2010 8:54 pm

    Be advised, though, that the planes in the illustration you’re using *are* B-29s.

  10. Megazoid February 21st, 2010 10:47 pm

    The amount of fabricated information on Nazi UFOs that has appeared in the last 15 years is frankly jaw dropping. It’s the Internet’s version of the crop circle.

    “The Complete Book of UFOs” (1994) by Peter Hough & Jenny Randles spends 11 pages on the years 1938-1947. They mention foo fighters and ghost rockets, but completely ignore the subject of Nazi UFOs in the entire 300 page volume. The accounts of Rudolf Schriever in the 50’s and Ernst Zündel in the 70’s were know, but widely ignored. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that practically all the information on Nazi UFOs has been produced (I mean of course… discovered) since the Internet started taking off in the mid 1990’s

    It doesn’t seem to bother Nazi UFO believers that at the end of the war the fastidious Nazi’s some how managed to completely destroy every single document which might alluded to the existence of UFO craft, while at the same time leaving fully operational top secret aircraft like the Messerschmitt Me 163 Komet and Messerschmitt Me 262 literally just sitting on the runway. Another thing that I find amusing, and is perhaps some kind of faker in-joke(?), is the fact that a large percentage of these new Nazi UFO images are of craft that look exactly like the George Adamski UFO.

    George Adamski was a foaming at the mouth fantasist who never allowed anybody to examine his photograph negatives. Presumably, because he didn’t want anybody to see the mess he had made retouching up the images of his ping-pong ball & chicken brooding lamp fabrications. I suppose if you are going to swallow Nazi UFOs, believing Adamski was honest is probably a simple leap.

    Anyway, interesting and well written article Mori.

  11. Chiefc March 6th, 2010 10:59 am

    Very interesting article, but those are in face B-29 Superfortresses, not B-17s.

  12. Ann Garrison November 18th, 2011 11:18 pm

    Regarding Schweinfurt, I refer you to a story written by Wally Hoffman, a WWII bomber pilot who witnessed the incident.

    http://www.storyhouse.org/wally4.html

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